Übersetzung AFT - Amazing Follower Tweaks - Deutsche Version 1.66

AFT lief mit der letzten Version zumindest bei mir stabiler. Habe aber nicht soo lang damit gespielt. Aber wenn nach 800 (nicht ein einzelner Durchgang) Stunden nahezu stabilem Gameplay plötzlich die CTDs anfangen und AFT als einziger Neuzugang dabei ist, denkt man sich dann halt, hmm ok.

Ich hab zb. für Fallout 3 meine ganz eigenen Rituale gehabt wie ich es stabil bekommen habe. Stabil war FO3 nicht wirklich aber 1-2 CTD am Tag waren äusserst vertretbar. Und da hatte ich Mods die alles am Spiel geändert haben. Pixelmurder hat das was ich getan habe, nicht bloss einmal für Voodoo erklärt :-D ... aber was solls, wenns mir doch geholfen hat?

Bulwyf: CH und BV sind bei mir jedenfalls standardmässig vertreten und werden immer mitgeladen, egal wie oft ich Skyrim noch beginnen werde :-D Ohne diese beiden geht es nicht. Da Vilja nahezu fertig ist wie ich heute erfahren habe, ist mir UFO/AFT auch nicht mehr sooo wichtig. Aber wenn AFT weiter optimiert wird kann ich das natürlich nur begrüssen.

Übrigens hier eine kommende voll vertonte Begleiterin die hier aber erstmal nur vorgestellt wird: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCQi48VUXQ

Ich bin übrigens auch knapp unter 40 ^^

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Thanks for your message. I will try to explain it better.
How do I test:
In the beginning I test without special settings. I do not use any fighting style or special settings.
sandbox:
If you go to a pub or in a player house, then the animations of the companion runs quickly and raised again and again in front of the player. Gives you the command (wait), the companion spread, but it seems the animation timer is set too short. I cannot change even with the sandbox patch of us. (With we have created with the CK and TESVedit.) The Followers spread well, but the animation is still running too fast. I can add animations (Idles), but the distance between the playbacks is too small.
Do you mean by power-Tweak the AI behavior? I will configure and test it. A small description is missing. I made myself a little description and written on AFT book. But I was not sure if everything is correct, what I write here.
Which script has the conditions for the AI behavior? You could also so offer a sandbox patch as addon.
CTD´s:
The players report that it works better with a clean save.
My test-Saves are always clean as possible.
The problem comes, I believe, not from the command box, but from the dialogue box. (For example, all crew members must wait). I give the command (follow) over the AFT menu. Then the command (wait) then over the dialog box I command again (wait). Rummpps .... back to desktop. (CTD)
Here I have a suggestion. Why do you have given these commands in both menus? One would be enough. (The Script menu box is good) because the attendants are always bound to the player. I think the mix of aft-menu and dialog-box-box is unnecessary. You could outsource the additional instructions of the dialog box in the menu box. What people are missing, commands for each companion. The AFT commands do not appear in the dialog, and I think, this always has some problem with the Bethesda Skyrim commands.
Example:
I activate in the aft-menu (All Followers to wait), now I'm talking about the (dialogue box) to a companion that he should follow me, but nothing happens. The companion does not respond. (In Germany there is a good saying: Too many cooks spoil the broth)
I realize that the outsourcing of the commands is a bit of work. I know all the mods (EFF, UFO and AFT), so I make this note.
AFT Tweak mod is like a little diamond in the rough, but it needs a polish.
Please do not misunderstand me, I just want to help.

There are some players use the AFT and find it for good and we also say. We see the potential of this mod and would rather live with small mistakes, as we want to switch to UFO or EFF.

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Hi, I´m again. How about if you include the command (Relaxed)? Then we can, for example, forging, send the crew in an elegant way into the sandbox and they are not going to get in the way.

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So you are testing with the default settings. In 1.55, I made default timings much closer to the 1.50 timings (at the suggestion of one of your testers). So now you are saying that the default settings are too fast?

That is why I have the Configure Interactive AI option in settings. I can't make all users happy, so I expect users to change the settings.

So, have you gone into Settings -> Configure Interactive AI and changed the conditions and timings?

Personally, I use a 9 second delay, a 50 percent chance of following and I set all the other options to "1". Is it still too fast when you do that?

When following, all the AI config conditions have to be met in order to sandbox.

When waiting, the only condition that matters is the delay. (Default 6 seconds). And all followers will sandbox at the exact same time. I could probably add some more lengthy timings to 1.6 (3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21) so that followers wait a bit longer when told to wait before sandboxing.

But as you pointed out, you can also prevent sandbox on wait by using Tweak Command Power -> Miscellaneous -> Disable Interactive AI, before issuing the wait command.

As for the actions being repeated.

The original mod did everything via dialogue because it was more realistic. In real life you can't sneak past the guards and then summon your followers. In real life, if you are losing a fight, you can't run away and quickly summon your followers out of danger.

I dont actually use the Tweak Command Power. I added it as a convenience for other users. I suspect there are others like myself who would be upset if they HAD to use it. In fact, when I get complaints from people telling me the power is too immersion breaking, I tell... "just don't use it".

But I admit, I did assume that a user would generally use one or the other exclusively. I didn't forsee someone switching back and forth all the time, so there may be a bug in there somewhere. I will try following your steps and see if I can replicate the CTD scenario tonight. Hopefully I can replicate it because then there is some hope of fixing it.

If I can not replicate it, it may also be due to german character support in message boxes versus dialogues? Anyway, I will see if I can replicate and let you know.

As for Relax, Wait is the same as relax. THat is, it starts the sandbox (almost immediatly depending on your Interactive AI delay setting). I dont see the point in adding a button that says "Relax" that does the exact same thing as wait.

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So I tried following your directions and I couldn't crash the game. Here was my scenario:

1) Started fresh game, played through to whiterun with AFT disabled. Saved within Bannered Mare.
2) Enable Aft
3) Brawled Uthgerd, made her a companion
4) Leveled up to level 6 and left white run
5) Tried for about 10 minutes to break the game by alternating between the dialogue menu "All Followers ...." and the Command Power -> Actions.

Nothing I did would break the game.

I also installed your version of the mod and repeated the steps. Still no crash. (In case it was a german character support issue).

The only mod I have enabled is Dawnguard. Do you have dawnguard and is it enabled in your testing? Let me know. Maybe the stability issue is tied to Dawnguard somehow? I will re-test tomorrow without Dawnguard enabled and see if I get different results.

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Would you mind disabling Hearthfire and try testing without it? I do not claim hearthfire compatibility and I know heathfire makes changes to the standard follower system that might introduce bugs. However to properly test, you would probably have to start a new game after disabling it to make sure your save is clean.

It does seem that wait is ambiguous.

When activating wait from the Dialogue Menu, a person is likely using it to tell followers to relax. Maybe a table is nearby. So I want followers to sandbox and act like normal people.

But activating using the Command Power, the player is probably in combat and using wait to mean "Stop Fighting". So maybe the issue is that "Wait" in the Command Power needs to be "Stop Combat" and it needs to not sandbox. Maybe change the dialogue menu to "All Followers Relax" and have it sandbox immediatly without regard of the Auto Relax Config setting.

I will consider this for 1.6/2.0

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What is a "clean save", and how can I make one?
There are (hardly understood) mechanisms in the engine which cause problems with updates of scripted mods. The mixture of old save data, new scripts, quests, and objects can cause all kinds of problems. When it does not help to use another save, where FNIS Spells have not been used during the last 3 minutes, you should try with a "clean save"

• Dismiss any follower
• Go to a vanilla interior cell
• Equip only vanilla equipment
• Save and Quit
• Deactivate all pugins that you want to update (or, all except Skyrim.esm and Update.esm)
• Run, load the previous save, save again -> THIS is your "clean save"
• Activate your plugins

There are more complicated "clean save" procedures reported, but they might only be necessary for more complicated mods

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